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		<title>By: Ramkumar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramkumar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 06:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its is near to hear to discovery of a super earth with atmosphere ansd water .Yet the conditions will be similar to that of Venus  ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its is near to hear to discovery of a super earth with atmosphere ansd water .Yet the conditions will be similar to that of Venus  &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ljk</title>
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		<dc:creator>ljk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Nature of the Atmosphere of the Transiting Super-Earth GJ 1214b

Authors: E. Miller-Ricci, J. J. Fortney

(Submitted on 6 Jan 2010)

Abstract: The newly discovered planet GJ 1214b is the first known transiting super-Earth requiring a significant atmosphere to explain its observed mass and radius. Models for the structure of this planet predict that it likely possesses a H-He envelope of at least 0.05% of the total mass of the planet. 
However, models without a significant H-He atmosphere are not entirely ruled out by the available data. 

Here we explore a range of possible atmospheres for the planet, ranging from solar composition gas, to pure CO_2 or water (steam). We present transmission and emission spectra for each of these cases. 

We find that, if GJ 1214b possesses a hydrogen-rich atmosphere as expected, then the primary transit depth for such an atmosphere would vary at a level of up to 0.3% as a function of wavelength, relative to the background light of its M-dwarf host star. Observations at this level of precision are potentially obtainable with current space-based instrumentation. Successful detection of the transmission signature of this planet at the ~0.1% level would therefore provide confirmation of the hydrogen-rich nature of the planetary atmosphere. 

It follows that transmission spectroscopy at this level of precision could provide a first glimpse into answering the question of whether planets in the super-Earth mass regime (1 - 10 M_Earth) more closely resemble large terrestrial planets or small gas giant planets. 

Comments:  submitted to ApJ Letters 

Subjects:  Earth and Planetary Astrophysics (astro-ph.EP) 

Cite as:  arXiv:1001.0976v1 [astro-ph.EP] 

Submission history

From: Eliza Miller-Ricci [view email] 

[v1] Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:07:12 GMT (141kb)

http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.0976</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Nature of the Atmosphere of the Transiting Super-Earth GJ 1214b</p>
<p>Authors: E. Miller-Ricci, J. J. Fortney</p>
<p>(Submitted on 6 Jan 2010)</p>
<p>Abstract: The newly discovered planet GJ 1214b is the first known transiting super-Earth requiring a significant atmosphere to explain its observed mass and radius. Models for the structure of this planet predict that it likely possesses a H-He envelope of at least 0.05% of the total mass of the planet.<br />
However, models without a significant H-He atmosphere are not entirely ruled out by the available data. </p>
<p>Here we explore a range of possible atmospheres for the planet, ranging from solar composition gas, to pure CO_2 or water (steam). We present transmission and emission spectra for each of these cases. </p>
<p>We find that, if GJ 1214b possesses a hydrogen-rich atmosphere as expected, then the primary transit depth for such an atmosphere would vary at a level of up to 0.3% as a function of wavelength, relative to the background light of its M-dwarf host star. Observations at this level of precision are potentially obtainable with current space-based instrumentation. Successful detection of the transmission signature of this planet at the ~0.1% level would therefore provide confirmation of the hydrogen-rich nature of the planetary atmosphere. </p>
<p>It follows that transmission spectroscopy at this level of precision could provide a first glimpse into answering the question of whether planets in the super-Earth mass regime (1 &#8211; 10 M_Earth) more closely resemble large terrestrial planets or small gas giant planets. </p>
<p>Comments:  submitted to ApJ Letters </p>
<p>Subjects:  Earth and Planetary Astrophysics (astro-ph.EP) </p>
<p>Cite as:  arXiv:1001.0976v1 [astro-ph.EP] </p>
<p>Submission history</p>
<p>From: Eliza Miller-Ricci [view email] </p>
<p>[v1] Wed, 6 Jan 2010 21:07:12 GMT (141kb)</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.0976" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/1001.0976</a></p>
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		<title>By: OrbitalHub &#187; Carnival of Space #134</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=10667&#038;cpage=1#comment-76860</link>
		<dc:creator>OrbitalHub &#187; Carnival of Space #134</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] week you can read about the latest news concerning the discovery of water on the Moon,  a fascinating planet discovered around GJ 1214, the origins of the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere, the 30 Doradus Nebula, the Saturn&#8217;s largest [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] week you can read about the latest news concerning the discovery of water on the Moon,  a fascinating planet discovered around GJ 1214, the origins of the Earth&#8217;s atmosphere, the 30 Doradus Nebula, the Saturn&#8217;s largest [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carnival of Space #134 &#171; Cumbrian Sky</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=10667&#038;cpage=1#comment-76782</link>
		<dc:creator>Carnival of Space #134 &#171; Cumbrian Sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at &#8220;Centauri Dreams&#8220;, in his post &#8220;A Super-Earth with an atmosphere&#8220;, Paul Gilster writes about the fascinating planet discovered around GJ 1214, which has an [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at &#8220;Centauri Dreams&#8220;, in his post &#8220;A Super-Earth with an atmosphere&#8220;, Paul Gilster writes about the fascinating planet discovered around GJ 1214, which has an [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All

Chris, that ocean planet sounds interesting, but the depth of the ices can be deeper or even absent given the right thermal profile and the presence of dissolved minerals, which depress the melting points of all the high-pressure phases that can be studied - Ice VI &amp; VII, for example. There&#039;s no reason why some kind of high pressure/temperature cryovolcanism can&#039;t occur either, ferrying minerals up from the silicates below, given a decent heat supply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All</p>
<p>Chris, that ocean planet sounds interesting, but the depth of the ices can be deeper or even absent given the right thermal profile and the presence of dissolved minerals, which depress the melting points of all the high-pressure phases that can be studied &#8211; Ice VI &amp; VII, for example. There&#8217;s no reason why some kind of high pressure/temperature cryovolcanism can&#8217;t occur either, ferrying minerals up from the silicates below, given a decent heat supply.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher L. Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher L. Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this is a Leger-type Ocean planet as it seems, made mostly of water and volatiles with a small rocky core, then I doubt there&#039;d be a significant amount of mineral compounds in the ocean (if there is an ocean rather than just a bunch of supercritical water/steam).  The bulk of the planet&#039;s volume would be allotropic ices, thousands of kilometers&#039; worth separating the ocean from the rock and metal.  Anything that fell in from space would probably sink to the bottom in time.  I used an Ocean planet as the setting of my latest novel, &lt;i&gt;Star Trek Titan: Over a Torrent Sea&lt;/i&gt;, and to justify it being inhabited I needed to put it in a cluttered system with frequent asteroid bombardment and concoct an elaborate ecological mechanism for recirculating sunken minerals back to the shallows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is a Leger-type Ocean planet as it seems, made mostly of water and volatiles with a small rocky core, then I doubt there&#8217;d be a significant amount of mineral compounds in the ocean (if there is an ocean rather than just a bunch of supercritical water/steam).  The bulk of the planet&#8217;s volume would be allotropic ices, thousands of kilometers&#8217; worth separating the ocean from the rock and metal.  Anything that fell in from space would probably sink to the bottom in time.  I used an Ocean planet as the setting of my latest novel, <i>Star Trek Titan: Over a Torrent Sea</i>, and to justify it being inhabited I needed to put it in a cluttered system with frequent asteroid bombardment and concoct an elaborate ecological mechanism for recirculating sunken minerals back to the shallows.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh-The discovery of another Super-Earth. It Brings joy.
The size of this Red Dwarf is interestingly small, hmm? The Habitable zone so close-b&#039;s orbital period being 38 hours-hmm?

Well, it&#039;s nice to see Astronomy unfurling as we enter a new decade. Especially of this sort-Super-Earth Habitability will surely attract attention in Media =]

Good luck for anything, Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh-The discovery of another Super-Earth. It Brings joy.<br />
The size of this Red Dwarf is interestingly small, hmm? The Habitable zone so close-b&#8217;s orbital period being 38 hours-hmm?</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s nice to see Astronomy unfurling as we enter a new decade. Especially of this sort-Super-Earth Habitability will surely attract attention in Media =]</p>
<p>Good luck for anything, Alex</p>
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		<title>By: Eniac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carbon based life on a planet with excess hydrogen would work differently than on Earth. To form carbohydrates, organisms would split hydrogen molecules instead of water, and no oxygen would be generated. Not to mention that any such oxygen would immediately burn up with the hydrogen, anyway. Without oxygen, high energy organisms, i.e. any form of mobile animals, are unlikely to be possible, just as we don&#039;t have plants walking around on Earth.

As on Earth, carbon dioxide would likely be the limiting feedstock and would be completely sequestered away into biomass. An absence of CO2 in an atmosphere could then mean 2 things: 1) There is no carbon and thus no carbon-based life, 2) there is carbon-based life which has sequestered all the CO2. Turning this around, the presence of CO2 would be a strong indicator of the absence of carbon-based life, as on Mars and Venus.

Super-Earths of a certain size (anyone know that size?) will retain hydrogen due to their deeper gravity well and thus should pretty much always have the reducing conditions which would prohibit oxygen from forming and animals from evolving. This ought to be a strict limit on the size of any inhabited (or inhabitable) planets we might find. Is this true? Has it been recognized?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carbon based life on a planet with excess hydrogen would work differently than on Earth. To form carbohydrates, organisms would split hydrogen molecules instead of water, and no oxygen would be generated. Not to mention that any such oxygen would immediately burn up with the hydrogen, anyway. Without oxygen, high energy organisms, i.e. any form of mobile animals, are unlikely to be possible, just as we don&#8217;t have plants walking around on Earth.</p>
<p>As on Earth, carbon dioxide would likely be the limiting feedstock and would be completely sequestered away into biomass. An absence of CO2 in an atmosphere could then mean 2 things: 1) There is no carbon and thus no carbon-based life, 2) there is carbon-based life which has sequestered all the CO2. Turning this around, the presence of CO2 would be a strong indicator of the absence of carbon-based life, as on Mars and Venus.</p>
<p>Super-Earths of a certain size (anyone know that size?) will retain hydrogen due to their deeper gravity well and thus should pretty much always have the reducing conditions which would prohibit oxygen from forming and animals from evolving. This ought to be a strict limit on the size of any inhabited (or inhabitable) planets we might find. Is this true? Has it been recognized?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Lake: [links] Link salad wakes up acheing on all sides, lives to tell the tale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Lake: [links] Link salad wakes up acheing on all sides, lives to tell the tale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A ‘Super-Earth’ with an Atmosphere &#8212; Centauri Dreams with more deep exoplanetary coolness. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tobias Holbrook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias Holbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... nice terraforming challenge...

Get rid of the thick atmosphere, possibly by sequestering it in the coean, and shade the planet to lower the temperature. Then build a floating, semi &#039;Supra-mundane&#039; planet on the surface of the ocean. Just some floating Islands to start with, getting larger and larger until most of the surface is covered. Hopefully there will be resources dissolved in the ocean that we can extract.

One more thing - if the atmosphere is Hydrogen, surely it will have a higher scale hieight anyway to get the same surface pressure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; nice terraforming challenge&#8230;</p>
<p>Get rid of the thick atmosphere, possibly by sequestering it in the coean, and shade the planet to lower the temperature. Then build a floating, semi &#8216;Supra-mundane&#8217; planet on the surface of the ocean. Just some floating Islands to start with, getting larger and larger until most of the surface is covered. Hopefully there will be resources dissolved in the ocean that we can extract.</p>
<p>One more thing &#8211; if the atmosphere is Hydrogen, surely it will have a higher scale hieight anyway to get the same surface pressure?</p>
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