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		<title>By: ljk</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=2626&#038;cpage=1#comment-75296</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neptune Trojans and Plutinos: colors, sizes, dynamics, and their possible collisions

Authors: A.J.C. Almeida, N. Peixinho, A.C.M. Correia

(Submitted on 5 Oct 2009 (v1), last revised 9 Oct 2009 (this version, v2))

Abstract: Neptune Trojans and Plutinos are two subpopulations of trans-Neptunian objects located in the 1:1 and the 3:2 mean motion resonances with Neptune, respectively, and therefore protected from close encounters with the planet. However, the orbits of these two kinds of objects may cross very often, allowing a higher collisional rate between them than with other kinds of trans-Neptunian objects, and a consequent size distribution modification of the two subpopulations. 

Observational colors and absolute magnitudes of Neptune Trojans and Plutinos show that i) there are no intrinsically bright (large) Plutinos at small inclinations, ii) there is an apparent excess of blue and intrinsically bright (small) Plutinos, and iii) Neptune Trojans possess the same blue colors as Plutinos within the same (estimated) size range do. 

For the present subpopulations we analyzed the most favorable conditions for close encounters/collisions and address any link there could be between those encounters and the sizes and/or colors of Plutinos and Neptune Trojans. We also performed a simultaneous numerical simulation of the outer Solar System over 1 Gyr for all these bodies in order to estimate their collisional rate. 

We conclude that orbital overlap between Neptune Trojans and Plutinos is favored for Plutinos with large libration amplitudes, high eccentricities, and small inclinations. Additionally, with the assumption that the collisions can be disruptive creating smaller objects not necessarily with similar colors, the present high concentration of small Plutinos with small inclinations can thus be a consequence of a collisional interaction with Neptune Trojans and such hypothesis should be further analyzed. 

Comments:  15 pages, 9 figures, 6 tables, accepted for publication in A&amp;A 

Subjects:  Earth and Planetary Astrophysics (astro-ph.EP) 

DOI:  10.1051/0004-6361/200911943 

Cite as:  arXiv:0910.0865v2 [astro-ph.EP] 

Submission history

From: Alexandre Correia [view email] 

[v1] Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:11:27 GMT (1697kb)

[v2] Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:23:44 GMT (1697kb)

http://arxiv.org/abs/0910.0865</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neptune Trojans and Plutinos: colors, sizes, dynamics, and their possible collisions</p>
<p>Authors: A.J.C. Almeida, N. Peixinho, A.C.M. Correia</p>
<p>(Submitted on 5 Oct 2009 (v1), last revised 9 Oct 2009 (this version, v2))</p>
<p>Abstract: Neptune Trojans and Plutinos are two subpopulations of trans-Neptunian objects located in the 1:1 and the 3:2 mean motion resonances with Neptune, respectively, and therefore protected from close encounters with the planet. However, the orbits of these two kinds of objects may cross very often, allowing a higher collisional rate between them than with other kinds of trans-Neptunian objects, and a consequent size distribution modification of the two subpopulations. </p>
<p>Observational colors and absolute magnitudes of Neptune Trojans and Plutinos show that i) there are no intrinsically bright (large) Plutinos at small inclinations, ii) there is an apparent excess of blue and intrinsically bright (small) Plutinos, and iii) Neptune Trojans possess the same blue colors as Plutinos within the same (estimated) size range do. </p>
<p>For the present subpopulations we analyzed the most favorable conditions for close encounters/collisions and address any link there could be between those encounters and the sizes and/or colors of Plutinos and Neptune Trojans. We also performed a simultaneous numerical simulation of the outer Solar System over 1 Gyr for all these bodies in order to estimate their collisional rate. </p>
<p>We conclude that orbital overlap between Neptune Trojans and Plutinos is favored for Plutinos with large libration amplitudes, high eccentricities, and small inclinations. Additionally, with the assumption that the collisions can be disruptive creating smaller objects not necessarily with similar colors, the present high concentration of small Plutinos with small inclinations can thus be a consequence of a collisional interaction with Neptune Trojans and such hypothesis should be further analyzed. </p>
<p>Comments:  15 pages, 9 figures, 6 tables, accepted for publication in A&amp;A </p>
<p>Subjects:  Earth and Planetary Astrophysics (astro-ph.EP) </p>
<p>DOI:  10.1051/0004-6361/200911943 </p>
<p>Cite as:  arXiv:0910.0865v2 [astro-ph.EP] </p>
<p>Submission history</p>
<p>From: Alexandre Correia [view email] </p>
<p>[v1] Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:11:27 GMT (1697kb)</p>
<p>[v2] Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:23:44 GMT (1697kb)</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0910.0865" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/0910.0865</a></p>
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		<title>By: ljk</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=2626&#038;cpage=1#comment-67927</link>
		<dc:creator>ljk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isotropic Gamma-Ray Background: Cosmic-Ray Induced Albedo from Debris in the Solar System?

Authors: Igor V. Moskalenko, Troy A. Porter

(Submitted on 3 Jan 2009)

Abstract: We calculate the gamma-ray albedo due to cosmic-ray interactions with debris (small rocks, dust, and grains) in the Oort Cloud. We show that under reasonable assumptions a significant proportion of what is called the &quot;extragalactic gamma-ray background&quot; could be produced at the outer frontier of the solar system and may be detectable by the Large Area Telescope, the primary instrument on the Fermi Gamma-Ray Space Telescope. 

If detected it could provide unique direct information about the total column density of material in the Oort Cloud that is difficult to access by any other method. The same gamma ray production process takes place in other populations of small solar system bodies such as Main Belt asteroids, Jovian and Neptunian Trojans, and Kuiper Belt objects. Their detection can be used to constrain the total mass of debris in these systems. 

Comments:  4 pages, 1 figure, accepted by Astrophysical Journal Letters 

Subjects:  Astrophysics (astro-ph) 

Cite as:  arXiv:0901.0304v1 [astro-ph] 

Submission history

From: Troy Porter [view email] 

[v1] Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:34:10 GMT (45kb)

http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0304</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isotropic Gamma-Ray Background: Cosmic-Ray Induced Albedo from Debris in the Solar System?</p>
<p>Authors: Igor V. Moskalenko, Troy A. Porter</p>
<p>(Submitted on 3 Jan 2009)</p>
<p>Abstract: We calculate the gamma-ray albedo due to cosmic-ray interactions with debris (small rocks, dust, and grains) in the Oort Cloud. We show that under reasonable assumptions a significant proportion of what is called the &#8220;extragalactic gamma-ray background&#8221; could be produced at the outer frontier of the solar system and may be detectable by the Large Area Telescope, the primary instrument on the Fermi Gamma-Ray Space Telescope. </p>
<p>If detected it could provide unique direct information about the total column density of material in the Oort Cloud that is difficult to access by any other method. The same gamma ray production process takes place in other populations of small solar system bodies such as Main Belt asteroids, Jovian and Neptunian Trojans, and Kuiper Belt objects. Their detection can be used to constrain the total mass of debris in these systems. </p>
<p>Comments:  4 pages, 1 figure, accepted by Astrophysical Journal Letters </p>
<p>Subjects:  Astrophysics (astro-ph) </p>
<p>Cite as:  arXiv:0901.0304v1 [astro-ph] </p>
<p>Submission history</p>
<p>From: Troy Porter [view email] </p>
<p>[v1] Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:34:10 GMT (45kb)</p>
<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0304" rel="nofollow">http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0304</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adam Crowl</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=2626&#038;cpage=1#comment-65417</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Crowl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shaun

Oligarchic planet formation theory predicts potentially dozens of Mars mass objects out there, and Al Stern has predicted potentially a thousand Pluto-sized objects. That&#039;s a lot of real estate. But just what we can do with such in ours present energy challenged stage I&#039;m unsure. Once fusion power becomes sufficiently well developed all those objects could become potential habitats. 

A more SF idea I like to imagine is that wormholes could be developed as light-pipes and thus all those worlds would become viable. With wormholes also for rapid transit the Outer Solar System could potentially become more worth our colonisation efforts than the nearer stars if planet formation is as variable in its results as recent simulations suggest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shaun</p>
<p>Oligarchic planet formation theory predicts potentially dozens of Mars mass objects out there, and Al Stern has predicted potentially a thousand Pluto-sized objects. That&#8217;s a lot of real estate. But just what we can do with such in ours present energy challenged stage I&#8217;m unsure. Once fusion power becomes sufficiently well developed all those objects could become potential habitats. </p>
<p>A more SF idea I like to imagine is that wormholes could be developed as light-pipes and thus all those worlds would become viable. With wormholes also for rapid transit the Outer Solar System could potentially become more worth our colonisation efforts than the nearer stars if planet formation is as variable in its results as recent simulations suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=2626&#038;cpage=1#comment-65389</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow I suspect CR105, Sedna, SQ372, Eris are but the tip of the iceberg. I believe Alan Stern - principal investigator for New Horizons - shares a similar view. In the instance of CR105, Brian Marsden speculated that its disturbed orbit may have something to do with an as yet undetected mars sized body orbiting ~300 AU. Stern actually went a lot further by predicting an avalanche of up to Earth sized planets in the Oort Cloud awaiting discovery. The next decade or two could really be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow I suspect CR105, Sedna, SQ372, Eris are but the tip of the iceberg. I believe Alan Stern &#8211; principal investigator for New Horizons &#8211; shares a similar view. In the instance of CR105, Brian Marsden speculated that its disturbed orbit may have something to do with an as yet undetected mars sized body orbiting ~300 AU. Stern actually went a lot further by predicting an avalanche of up to Earth sized planets in the Oort Cloud awaiting discovery. The next decade or two could really be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Crowl</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=2626&#038;cpage=1#comment-65287</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Crowl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was struck by just how much emptiness there is - vast amounts of nothing define the Borderland of Sol. Even if the Oort Cloud contains a trillion cometoids they will each have a sphere of void 10 AU in radius around them, on average. That&#039;s mind-numbingly immense emptiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was struck by just how much emptiness there is &#8211; vast amounts of nothing define the Borderland of Sol. Even if the Oort Cloud contains a trillion cometoids they will each have a sphere of void 10 AU in radius around them, on average. That&#8217;s mind-numbingly immense emptiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron S</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=2626&#038;cpage=1#comment-65284</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I (vaguely) remember having made this comment before in a long-ago thread so bear with me.

To land on an object like this you need to precisely match its velocity. That means the craft is already on the same orbit, and therefore the object is superfluous. Worse, that particular orbit constrains which interstellar objects we could observe - better to pick the observation targets first and the orbit second.

Further, assuming others are as impatient as I am, this is a slow way to get to 550 AU. I&#039;d rather our gravitational lens observatory returned results in my lifetime.

On an different note, one SF novel (Lucifer&#039;s Hammer, and I would not be surprised to hear about others in the same vein) posited a relatively large and unobserved minor planet in the Oort cloud (or maybe it was Kuiper belt) that every so often alters the eccentricity of other, smaller objects so that they pass into the inner solar system and cause havoc. In this novel one such object encounters Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I (vaguely) remember having made this comment before in a long-ago thread so bear with me.</p>
<p>To land on an object like this you need to precisely match its velocity. That means the craft is already on the same orbit, and therefore the object is superfluous. Worse, that particular orbit constrains which interstellar objects we could observe &#8211; better to pick the observation targets first and the orbit second.</p>
<p>Further, assuming others are as impatient as I am, this is a slow way to get to 550 AU. I&#8217;d rather our gravitational lens observatory returned results in my lifetime.</p>
<p>On an different note, one SF novel (Lucifer&#8217;s Hammer, and I would not be surprised to hear about others in the same vein) posited a relatively large and unobserved minor planet in the Oort cloud (or maybe it was Kuiper belt) that every so often alters the eccentricity of other, smaller objects so that they pass into the inner solar system and cause havoc. In this novel one such object encounters Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Hiro</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=2626&#038;cpage=1#comment-65278</link>
		<dc:creator>Hiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an interesting idea! I also wonder whether we can use this &quot;solar focus point&quot; to observe the core of our galaxy, this is much better than our ordinary space telescopes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an interesting idea! I also wonder whether we can use this &#8220;solar focus point&#8221; to observe the core of our galaxy, this is much better than our ordinary space telescopes.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=2626&#038;cpage=1#comment-65265</link>
		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Sedna and 2006 SQ372 travel beyond the &quot;solar focus&quot; at 550 AU for part of their orbits - I wonder if any interesting target stars would be observable from these objects by using the Sun as a &quot;gravitational telescope&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Sedna and 2006 SQ372 travel beyond the &#8220;solar focus&#8221; at 550 AU for part of their orbits &#8211; I wonder if any interesting target stars would be observable from these objects by using the Sun as a &#8220;gravitational telescope&#8221;.</p>
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