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	<title>Comments on: Friedwardt Winterberg on Starship Design</title>
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		<title>By: JD</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=7164&#038;cpage=1#comment-71777</link>
		<dc:creator>JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I have a question about this proposal of Dr. Winterberg. 

To build up these currents, wouldn&#039;t you have to drag a huge nuclear power reactor along, effectively destroying your mass ratio? After all controlled net gain fusion hasn&#039;t been achieved yet. 

Isn&#039;t it that unless we achieve net gain fusion, pure fusion rockets remain a fantasy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I have a question about this proposal of Dr. Winterberg. </p>
<p>To build up these currents, wouldn&#8217;t you have to drag a huge nuclear power reactor along, effectively destroying your mass ratio? After all controlled net gain fusion hasn&#8217;t been achieved yet. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it that unless we achieve net gain fusion, pure fusion rockets remain a fantasy?</p>
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		<title>By: Howard T.</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=7164&#038;cpage=1#comment-71590</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 18:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s something about using fusion bombs for interstellar propulsion that just bothers me....  Won&#039;t they leave an environment littered with radioactice debris behind?  An obstacle to any further voyages.

In any case, haven&#039;t we already graduated to being able to generate antimatter propulsion?  And won&#039;t this be completely free of debris, as well as being much more efficient?

Maybe we could actually send a probe thusly powered...  And brake it with magnetic coils.  

Somehow the sail concept seems way too fragile.  It would greatly multiply the frontal area and increase the likelihood of damage from collisions.  

How to avoid damage from dust/pebbles, etc. at .1c may be the stopper problem.  You can&#039;t dodge around like the Millenium Falcon, even if you could somehow detect oncoming objects with radar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something about using fusion bombs for interstellar propulsion that just bothers me&#8230;.  Won&#8217;t they leave an environment littered with radioactice debris behind?  An obstacle to any further voyages.</p>
<p>In any case, haven&#8217;t we already graduated to being able to generate antimatter propulsion?  And won&#8217;t this be completely free of debris, as well as being much more efficient?</p>
<p>Maybe we could actually send a probe thusly powered&#8230;  And brake it with magnetic coils.  </p>
<p>Somehow the sail concept seems way too fragile.  It would greatly multiply the frontal area and increase the likelihood of damage from collisions.  </p>
<p>How to avoid damage from dust/pebbles, etc. at .1c may be the stopper problem.  You can&#8217;t dodge around like the Millenium Falcon, even if you could somehow detect oncoming objects with radar.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard T.</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=7164&#038;cpage=1#comment-71541</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 14:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Administrator:

I&#039;d like ro read some, if not all, of the essays, but my blackberry cannot handle the black on dark grey format.  

Is there any way around this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Administrator:</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like ro read some, if not all, of the essays, but my blackberry cannot handle the black on dark grey format.  </p>
<p>Is there any way around this?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=7164&#038;cpage=1#comment-70920</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi dennymack

Before we launch probes for a closer look we&#039;ll have a good idea about the planets in the target systems. In-space optical instruments will make most of the work of flyby missions quite pointless and only rendevous missions will really produce sufficient data return for the effort expended. Unless flybys are small, cheap and fast in which case we can fire off lots of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi dennymack</p>
<p>Before we launch probes for a closer look we&#8217;ll have a good idea about the planets in the target systems. In-space optical instruments will make most of the work of flyby missions quite pointless and only rendevous missions will really produce sufficient data return for the effort expended. Unless flybys are small, cheap and fast in which case we can fire off lots of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=7164&#038;cpage=1#comment-70864</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 13:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One place to learn more about superconducting braking coils for interstellar missions is a report that Robert Zubrin and Andrew Martin did on this technology for NIAC back in 2000:

http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/320Zubrin.pdf

Zubrin and Dana Andrews were pioneers in looking at magsail possibilities for deceleration, and in this report Zubrin and Martin consider how they could be used for fast missions within the Solar System as well. They go into the details of using these superconducting wire coils for various missions and analyze coil characteristics under various configurations.

Here&#039;s a bit of the report:

&quot;A loop of superconducting cable perhaps tens of kilometers in diameter is stored on a drum attached to a payload spacecraft. When the time comes for operation, the cable is played out and a current is initiated in the loop. This current once initiated, will be maintained indefinitely in the superconductor without further power. The magnetic field created by the current will impart a hoop stress to the loop aiding the deployment and eventually forcing it to a rigid circular shape. The loop operates at low field strengths, typically 0.0001 Tesla, so little structural strengthening is required. The loop can be positioned with its dipole axis at any angle with respect to the plasma wind, with the two extreme cases examined for analytical purposes being the axial configuration, in which the dipole axis is parallel to the wind, and the normal configuration, in which the dipole axis is perpendicular to the wind.&quot;

And so on. Diagrams are furnished in the report.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One place to learn more about superconducting braking coils for interstellar missions is a report that Robert Zubrin and Andrew Martin did on this technology for NIAC back in 2000:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/320Zubrin.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/320Zubrin.pdf</a></p>
<p>Zubrin and Dana Andrews were pioneers in looking at magsail possibilities for deceleration, and in this report Zubrin and Martin consider how they could be used for fast missions within the Solar System as well. They go into the details of using these superconducting wire coils for various missions and analyze coil characteristics under various configurations.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a bit of the report:</p>
<p>&#8220;A loop of superconducting cable perhaps tens of kilometers in diameter is stored on a drum attached to a payload spacecraft. When the time comes for operation, the cable is played out and a current is initiated in the loop. This current once initiated, will be maintained indefinitely in the superconductor without further power. The magnetic field created by the current will impart a hoop stress to the loop aiding the deployment and eventually forcing it to a rigid circular shape. The loop operates at low field strengths, typically 0.0001 Tesla, so little structural strengthening is required. The loop can be positioned with its dipole axis at any angle with respect to the plasma wind, with the two extreme cases examined for analytical purposes being the axial configuration, in which the dipole axis is parallel to the wind, and the normal configuration, in which the dipole axis is perpendicular to the wind.&#8221;</p>
<p>And so on. Diagrams are furnished in the report.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard T.</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=7164&#038;cpage=1#comment-70862</link>
		<dc:creator>Howard T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Essig....

What is a &#039;magnetic breaking coil&#039;?

Are you thinking of &#039;braking&#039; by use of magnetic tethers?

 Where does a coil come in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Essig&#8230;.</p>
<p>What is a &#8216;magnetic breaking coil&#8217;?</p>
<p>Are you thinking of &#8216;braking&#8217; by use of magnetic tethers?</p>
<p> Where does a coil come in?</p>
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		<title>By: dennymack</title>
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		<dc:creator>dennymack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem that the realizable step would be to build a single stage fusion powered booster to send a probe on a flyby. Our imaging and information gathering systems are so much better than they were decades ago that it would seem we can get a lot of bang for buck by skipping the decel side of the trip. Build a redundant drone and let it shoot past Barnards and give us the images and whatever measurements can be taken remotely. 
We might even be able to double dip if we gave the probe a second stage that instead of decel just gave it lateral acceleration to line up on the next star. (I&#039;m not an astronomer, so I don&#039;t know what is &quot;behind&quot; Barnard&#039;s star.)
If these rigs are huge and expensive, would it be possible to have multiple missions launched on the same booster? Rather than a single second stage, set up several second stages that, once accelerated towards a quadrant of space, would set their individual courses by accelerating away from the original line. That way, if you got funding for the mission once, there would be several periods of  boosterism for exploration as we awaited capture of new data packages from probes. It would be a sad thing if we poured all our treasure into one shot and got a flyby of a dull rock. Sure, it would be neat, but we need a way to get the public payer onboard.
dennymack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem that the realizable step would be to build a single stage fusion powered booster to send a probe on a flyby. Our imaging and information gathering systems are so much better than they were decades ago that it would seem we can get a lot of bang for buck by skipping the decel side of the trip. Build a redundant drone and let it shoot past Barnards and give us the images and whatever measurements can be taken remotely.<br />
We might even be able to double dip if we gave the probe a second stage that instead of decel just gave it lateral acceleration to line up on the next star. (I&#8217;m not an astronomer, so I don&#8217;t know what is &#8220;behind&#8221; Barnard&#8217;s star.)<br />
If these rigs are huge and expensive, would it be possible to have multiple missions launched on the same booster? Rather than a single second stage, set up several second stages that, once accelerated towards a quadrant of space, would set their individual courses by accelerating away from the original line. That way, if you got funding for the mission once, there would be several periods of  boosterism for exploration as we awaited capture of new data packages from probes. It would be a sad thing if we poured all our treasure into one shot and got a flyby of a dull rock. Sure, it would be neat, but we need a way to get the public payer onboard.<br />
dennymack</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=7164&#038;cpage=1#comment-70851</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Commerce&#039;?

Good grief. My vote is firmly with Greek mythology!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Commerce&#8217;?</p>
<p>Good grief. My vote is firmly with Greek mythology!</p>
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		<title>By: Hucbald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hucbald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we PLEASE ban any and all spacecraft names like Daedalus and Icarus - anything that ends in &quot;-us&quot;?  It&#039;s so hopelessly twentieth-century.  Besides, Icarus&#039; wax wings melted when he flew too close to the sun, and he fell in a burned up.  That&#039;s a truly knot-headed name for a starship, don&#039;t you think?

My vote would be for Commerce, or something along those lines. ;^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we PLEASE ban any and all spacecraft names like Daedalus and Icarus &#8211; anything that ends in &#8220;-us&#8221;?  It&#8217;s so hopelessly twentieth-century.  Besides, Icarus&#8217; wax wings melted when he flew too close to the sun, and he fell in a burned up.  That&#8217;s a truly knot-headed name for a starship, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>My vote would be for Commerce, or something along those lines. ;^)</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=7164&#038;cpage=1#comment-70834</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Benjamin

Ultimately large scale trade between systems will require energy beams of some kind powered by solar energy. Electromagnetic accelerator/deccelerator systems could, theoretically, operate with very low overall energy losses because incoming cargo returns energy to the system by regenerative braking. A continuous loop of transport pods could be developed to provide rapid transit between the stars eventually.

But that&#039;s all a long way off. To build such things requires massive efforts in the Oort Clouds of the stars involved and to trek around the Clouds will require Winterberg&#039;s fusion rockets or some such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Benjamin</p>
<p>Ultimately large scale trade between systems will require energy beams of some kind powered by solar energy. Electromagnetic accelerator/deccelerator systems could, theoretically, operate with very low overall energy losses because incoming cargo returns energy to the system by regenerative braking. A continuous loop of transport pods could be developed to provide rapid transit between the stars eventually.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s all a long way off. To build such things requires massive efforts in the Oort Clouds of the stars involved and to trek around the Clouds will require Winterberg&#8217;s fusion rockets or some such.</p>
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