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SETI in the Infrared

One of the problems with optical SETI is interstellar extinction, the absorption and scattering of electromagnetic radiation. Extinction can play havoc with astronomical observations coping with gas and dust between the stars. The NIROSETI project (Near-Infrared Optical SETI) run by Shelley Wright (UC-San Diego) and team is a way around this problem. The NIROSETI instrument works at near-infrared wavelengths (1000 – 3500 nm), where extinction is far less of a problem. Consider infrared a ‘window’ through dust that would otherwise obscure the view, an advantage of particular interest for studies in the galactic plane.

Would an extraterrestrial civilization hoping to communicate with us choose infrared as the wavelength of choice? We can’t know, but considering its advantages, NIROSETI’s instrument, mounted on the Nickel 1-m telescope at Lick Observatory, is helping us gain coverage in this otherwise neglected (for SETI purposes) band. I had the chance to talk to Dr. Wright at one of the Breakthrough Discuss meetings in Palo Alto, where she made a fine presentation on the subject. Since then my curiosity about infrared SETI has remained high.

Meanwhile, at MIT…

Then this morning I came across graduate student James Clark, who has just published a paper on interstellar beacons in the infrared in the Astrophysical Journal. Working at MIT’s Department of Aeronautics and Astronautics, Clark is not affiliated with NIROSETI. He’s wondering what it would take to punch a signal through to another star, and concludes that a large infrared laser and a telescope through which to focus it would be the tools of choice.

The goal: An infrared signal at least 10 times greater than the Sun’s natural infrared emissions, one that would stand out in any routine astronomical observation of our star and demand further study. Clark believes that a 2-megawatt laser working in conjunction with a 30-meter telescope would produce a signal easily detectable at Proxima Centauri b, while a 1-megawatt laser working through a 45-meter telescope would produce a clear signal at TRAPPIST-1.

But nearby stars are just the beginning, for in Clark’s view, either of these setups would produce a signal that could be detected up to 20,000 light years away, almost to galactic center. All of this may remind you of Philip Lubin’s work, recently described here, on laser propulsion. Depending on the system in play, one of Lubin’s DE-STAR 4 beams would be observed as the brightest star in the sky from 1000 light years away (see Trillion Planet Survey Targets M-31 for more on this). The NIROSETI website makes the same observation about laser visibility:

The most powerful laser beams ever created (e.g. LFEX) can produce optical pulses with 2 petawatts (2.1015W) peak power for an incredibly short duration, approximately one picosecond. Such lasers would outshine our sun by several order of magnitudes if seen by a distant receiver. It can be shown that strong pulsed signals at nanosecond (or faster) intervals can be distinguishable from any known astrophysical sources.

Image: An MIT study proposes that laser technology on Earth could emit a beacon strong enough to attract attention from as far as 20,000 light years away. Credit: MIT.

The kind of system Clarke is talking about is not beyond our capabilities even now:

“This would be a challenging project but not an impossible one,” Clark says. “The kinds of lasers and telescopes that are being built today can produce a detectable signal, so that an astronomer could take one look at our star and immediately see something unusual about its spectrum. I don’t know if intelligent creatures around the sun would be their first guess, but it would certainly attract further attention.”

In terms of current capabilities, we can think about Clark’s 30-meter telescope in relation to plans for telescopes as huge as the 39-meter European Extremely Large Telescope, now under construction in Chile, or the likewise emerging 24-meter Giant Magellan Telescope. How and where to build such a laser is the same sort of issue now being analyzed by Breakthrough Starshot, which conceptualizes a series of small lightsail missions to nearby stars using laser beaming. Caveats include safety issues for both humans and spacecraft equipment. Clark suggests the far side of the Moon would be the ideal place for such an installation.

With METI (Messaging to Extraterrestrial Intelligence) continuing to be controversial, to say the least, whether or not we would ever choose to build an infrared laser as an interstellar beacon is up for question. But Clark’s analysis takes in the question of whether today’s technologies could detect such a signal if a civilization elsewhere put it into play and tried to communicate with us. As we’ve seen in other discussions of interstellar beacons, detection is highly problematic.

“With current survey methods and instruments, it is unlikely that we would actually be lucky enough to image a beacon flash, assuming that extraterrestrials exist and are making them,” Clark says. “However, as the infrared spectra of exoplanets are studied for traces of gases that indicate the viability of life, and as full-sky surveys attain greater coverage and become more rapid, we can be more certain that, if E.T. is phoning, we will detect it.”

We don’t know whether E.T. does astronomical surveys, but we know we do, and we are rapidly moving toward the study of small, rocky exoplanets through the spectra of their atmospheres. Thus Clark’s paper could be seen as a reminder to astronomers that an unusual signal could lurk within their infrared data, one that we should at least be aware of and prepared to analyze. A conversation between nearby stars at a data rate of a few hundred bits per second could eventually result.

The paper is Clark, “Optical Detection of Lasers with Near-term Technology at Interstellar Distances,” Astronomical Journal Vol. 867, No. 2 (5 November 2018). Abstract.

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  • Robin Datta November 6, 2018, 15:18

    With efforts to overcome the obstacle of space, one may try to reduce the obstacles of time such as the dependence on random fortune for the detection of time-constrained signals. If signals are to be used, their chances may be improved by being continuous or repetitive.

  • Charley November 6, 2018, 16:46

    They have a laser that is capable of firing 2000 joules in a trillionth of a second. A trillionth of a second! While I don’t know for how long this laser can’t sustain its firing, a civilization on the lookout would just have to be lucky to catch this momentary burst of energy to think: something is funny here, let’s investigate-this seems to be at best somewhat remote as a Beacon.

    • ljk November 7, 2018, 10:05

      What are the odds that Oumuamua came through our Sol system when we were just ready enough to detect it, if not actually fly out to it (though we could – and should)?

      What are the odds that in a tiny slice of sky Kepler happened to find Tabby’s Star, an object we had never seen before, or at least recognized as unusual by our astronomical standards?

      So while the changes of an ETI being able to detect our laser “blips” may be small, they need not be impossible. Especially if we are aiming them at the more populated parts of our galaxy. Plus this along with the fact that a species needs a certain level of advancement to even be able to detect them can act as a filter.

    • Harry R Ray November 7, 2018, 10:35

      “The most powerful laser beams ever created…can produce optical pulses with 2 petawatts…peak power for an incredibly short duration, approximately one picosecond.” These are EXACTLY the pulse durations Borra and Trottier claimed to have detected in 234 stars. Breakthrough Initiatives promised a re-examination of these stars a couple of years ago with DIFFERENT equipment than that used by Borra and Trottier to eliminate any POSSIBLE calibration issues in the equipment Borra and Trottier used. So far, the results of this follow-up have NOT been published. Are they ON to something? OSETI looks only for one billionth of a second(nanosecond)pulses. Have they been missing out all these years? This is pure speculation, but perhaps a nanosecond is the THRESHOLD upon which messages/data can be transmitted.

      • ljk November 8, 2018, 10:15

        Is Breakthrough Listen on to something? Or are they withholding and/or suppressing this information because it does not fit into their idea/plans for SETI?

        This has happened before with SETI going back to its earliest days, especially when a few self-appointed authorities on the subject pushed their concepts to the forefront at the expense of other ideas.

        Just take a look at the history of Optical SETI, which came out almost at the same time as Radio SETI, only to be sequestered away until the 1990s because the radio astronomers in charge literally thought because humans did not have the proper laser technology at the time that it would not do any good to search for ETI with laser/infrared communications! Even though lasers can be more easily detected than radio and carry a lot more data.

        SETI has been give the short end of the stick since its beginnings for a number of reasons. And while collective human minds are a bit more open than they used to be, I am concerned that Breakthrough Listen is just the latest version of yet another self-appointed SETI committee that will dictate how SETI (and METI) should operate, just as Radio SETI dominated the scene for decades.

        Yes it is nice they gave money to cash-starved SETI efforts, but since they also hold the purse strings, they can just as easily cut them off or direct the efforts and findings in any direction they want. I would like to see more professional astronomers and scientists having their say in the matter, before we end up with another 30 years of one-way SETI and a peer-banned METI.

        • Harry R Ray November 9, 2018, 10:54

          Here’s my take on this: Using the APF(i.e. NOT SDSS)they DUPLICATED the Borra/Trottier results, but are now working on the proper INTERPRETATION! The only three things which could CAUSE the anomalities in the Borra/Trottier data are; ONE: Calibration issues with SDSS, which is what ALL of the scientific community ASSUMED to be cause. TWO: A NATURAL process happening within the 234 stars which produces a result ANALOGOUS to picosecond laser pulses. Picosecind laser pulses(and you know what THAT means). As with ANY SETI claim, all other avenues of of persuit must take place before the claim is made public, so they are making a furious attempt ELIMINATE TWO before they can ACCEPT THREE!!!!!! Keep in mind, there is absolutely no reason for them to withhold a PROVEN claim, since this is the PURPOSE of the organization!

          • ljk November 12, 2018, 10:30

            Perhaps it is not a deliberate withholding so much as Breakthrough Listen is expecting certain methods in a particular way by ETI. This has been the pattern for most of our modern SETI era, despite the occasional lip service to non-radio means of signaling. Just look at how long it took mainstream SETI to accept optical transmissions and then they tried to rewrite their history to make it look like they had accepted it all along!

      • R. Singh November 15, 2018, 3:00

        This sounds similar to the WOW signal and other FRBs detected so far (Yes, I know these signals have not been in the IR spectrum) …

        It might be worth exploring the IR spectrum for such signals.

  • Alex Tolley November 6, 2018, 17:06

    While Clark talks about detection up to 20k ly away, there seems no possible way this makes any sense when he later talks about communication. A civ near the galactic center has no way to know what the target star systems should be, other than “habitable”. Sending a signal to us might result in our civilization appearing and disappearing while the beam is in transit, and even that may be unlikely given the distribution of civs in space and time.

    If the beam is to be set so the width encompasses the planets in the HZ of a star, then clearly the further the beam is targeted, the larger the number of possible targets, and therefore the lower the frequency of repeats. [ for a 1 ms pulse, sent to 1 bn stars, repeats happen every 11 days. If the pulse was 1 s, the repeat would be every 31 years.] For a small target radius, the repeat rate can be higher, ideally looking unnatural such as a short prime number series of gap length between pulses.
    However, for small volumes of space and few target stars, why the need for IR at all? Why not use lasers in the visible spectrum that could be detected more easily?

    So while extending the frequency range of SETI searches might be useful, I get the impression that this paper isn’t well thought through logically. I would like to read a better justification for IR, and why NIR rather FIR, compared to radio or optical signaling.

    • Robin Datta November 7, 2018, 3:28

      A civilization emerging in proximity to the galactic center will likely be in a milieu of radiation and gravitation quite unlike the comparitive placidity of our neighborhood in a galactic spiral arm. Could they perhaps think that their biology, an adaptation for the threshold of the galactic inferno, may be the standard to judge habitability of beam targets elsewhere?

  • DCM November 6, 2018, 17:36

    Nightlights attract bugs, then spiders.

    • Antonio November 6, 2018, 18:32

      “We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.”
      ― Plato

      • Paolo November 13, 2018, 2:58

        Yes, yes, but the outstanding Plato had no idea of the effects of prolonged exposure to high frequency radiation… Let alone all the rest… Since you are more of a man than all of the rest of us, please place YOUR child in front of a gamma ray source.

    • Michael Fidler November 6, 2018, 20:27

      Well, we just put a giant bug zapper around the earth. But we only have 40,000 years to build it! Or we could just use Space X’s broadband laser satellite constellation to fry them…

    • Robin Datta November 7, 2018, 3:32

      In Bangladesh, where I spent much of my childhood, they attract geckoes.

    • ljk November 7, 2018, 10:00

      I am guessing you view spiders as automatically bad things, just because and especially because they do not look like humans and tend to creep out most of those primates. What shall we do if most ETI look and act like spiders, plus now they have starships.

      The more I see, the more I see that many if not most humans are not ready for what is really out there. That includes even if there are no other living beings.

    • AlexT November 8, 2018, 7:46

      It seams to be Cargo cult among SETI/METI supporters.
      This cult dictate next postulate – there is , somewhere , nice and very advanced up to gods-level ETI , that impatiently waiting (and sending) signal from (to) us, when those superETI will detect our signal , they definitely and immediately will come to the Earth and will teach us, heal us , “save us from us”, etc… us.
      The problem is – we are making some doubtful deeds today, but only our decendants will be responsible for our deeds and they could change nothing…

      • ljk November 8, 2018, 10:43

        Do not lump everyone in the same SETI/METI basket. That reeks of stereotyping bordering on a form of racism.

        • AlexT November 8, 2018, 15:50

          Sorry, but I cannot understand and accept the connection that you make between anti-SETI/METI position to racism… unpleasant.

          • ljk November 9, 2018, 10:05

            Stereotyping is the gateway to racism.

            • AlexT November 9, 2018, 13:00

              Sorry, I am sure you are totally wrong in this statemen.
              I do not want to begin any “Holy wars” here.

  • L Hunter November 6, 2018, 18:30

    “I don’t know if intelligent creatures around the sun would be their first guess, but it would certainly attract further attention.”

    This is the real difficult part, not only sending a signal but making sure that signal is can be interpreted as coming from an Intelligence.

  • Antonio November 6, 2018, 18:36

    Over the years I have become less and less interested in the SETI efforts and research, given that there is no real intent to communicate.

    • ljk November 7, 2018, 14:26

      There is. It is called METI. It has just had a harder and longer river to row for various reasons.

      • Antonio November 7, 2018, 14:45

        I know METI. That’s why I said that. METI is practically banned now and it doesn’t seem things will change anytime soon. On the contrary, it seems they are getting worse.

        • ljk November 7, 2018, 16:26

          No one is banning METI, particularly because it is not operated by any kind of formal organization – at least at present. There are no actual laws, international or otherwise, against it. Sure there are scientific communities who protest it and others who also voice their negative opinions, but they are not authorities with any kind of actual legal power behind them.

          Breakthrough Listen may not be doing any METI themselves, but that is their issue. They also have no authority over anyone else on this planet who does want to conduct METI.

          • Antonio November 8, 2018, 3:47

            I didn’t mean literally banned, that’s why I said “practically banned”. It’s more like PC harassment.

            • ljk November 8, 2018, 12:39

              Right. Just note there are people who would love to ban METI outright. You do not even have to search far for this: Just do a search for METI in this blog and read their comment threads.

  • Paolo November 7, 2018, 1:49

    I think that the whole world population should express their consent prior to such an enterprise. They should be made aware that the weapon array currently at our disposal is inadequate to actually pose a threat to “malevolent” intruders. Moreover, since the future inhabitants of our planet can’t convey us their opinion, the whole concept of affirming our presence out there is basically flawed.

    • ljk November 7, 2018, 14:38

      You know that suggestion is entirely unrealistic and will therefore negate all METI attempts. Thankfully the very nature of humanity that keeps it so tribal will also ensure that some efforts to communicate with the galaxy have and will happen regardless.

      • AlexT November 8, 2018, 11:32

        …communicate with the galaxy…

        It is impossible, it is false, it is standard “fairy tails” for PR.
        False PR It is only way tо justify SETI efforts. In reality communication “with the galaxy” is impossible (with our current technology), It is true that SETI activists prefer to hide from public. It like the next (SETI’s) fairy tails – “negative SETI result it is also good scientific result”, activists do not clarify to public, that negative result – is impossible case for modern SETI approach.

        What is most probable METI result – it is disclose our location to someone that we cannot even know their intentions, we can make this mistake “today”, but “tomorrow” our descendants will have problems from cosequences of our deeds.

        • ljk November 9, 2018, 10:21

          I find it amusing that while you think all SETI and METI efforts are fruitless endeavors, and imply that there are no aliens in the Cosmos, you worry about a collection of hypothetical ETI who may or may not detect these signals just the same and become a threat to us somewhere in an undetermined future time.

          I am sure you already know that Earth life, both intelligent and otherwise, is already detectable from great distances by advanced ETI without humanity having to do anything deliberate here. And humans in the form of our military and radio astronomers have also been letting the galaxy know that we exist via their powerful missile and NEO radar “pings”.

          Sure, they are random, but we have been doing it for decades and their signals stand out against the galactic background noise. Even though they contain no data, they do let anyone smart enough know that someone with at least some technology resides on Earth, or did once depending upon when they receive the signals.

          We also have to wonder how motivated an ETI would be send starships all the way to Earth and what exactly would motivate them to do this, in particular for any perceived hostile intent. A lot of effort and resources to encounter someone so far across the stars.

          If they want mineral resources there are probably a lot of planetoid and comets belts much closer to home. Food and/or slaves? Again, a lot of work for something that has little payoff. Galactic competition? Maybe, but there are 400 billion star systems to choose from. They cannot all be inhabited.

          If I am going to worry about something, it makes more sense to worry about the very real and living humans occupying Earth now who have very malevolent intents against all organisms here, either deliberately or through neglect. But then again, hypothetical aliens have always made convenient scapegoats.

          • AlexT November 9, 2018, 13:59

            I will try shortly.

            …you think all SETI and METI efforts are fruitless…

            Your mistake No.1.
            I think SETI effort are really fuitless, when METI are dangerous to humanity, because can bring unexpected problem in the future to our descendants.

            …imply that there are no aliens in the Cosmos…

            Your mistake No.2.
            I suppose there should be ETI in our universe, as sequence my opinion relatively METI efforts. In same time I ready to accept the fact that we are alone, in this case METI still remain serious problem, because dreaming about “contact” METI activist going to use instruments that are in reality – dangerous weapon, I am sure also that METI ideology can be used for noncontrolled laser weapon development, it seams that we live in the period of hybrid wars …

            you … know that Earth life… is already detectable from great distances by advanced ETI

            Your mistake No.3
            At first you are writing about issue like you already found ETI and know very well what they are doing right now :-)
            Second, personally my, do not know nothing about this fact (i.e. ETI detected us ;-) And accounting results of our SETI efforts, I can suppose that mysterious ETI has exactly same result :-)
            There is hope that ETI scientists are more clever than we are – and prefer not to spend their resources for fruitless SETI…
            Third – you are somehow exaggerating the Earth visibility in same time when talking about METI , required power somehow grows to the value that make METI instruments undistinguished from weapon. So why do you so need METI?

            …We also have to wonder how motivated an ETI…

            Yes, we can wander a lot – in Sci-Fi novels, I enjoy reading this literature. Meanwhile we did not found any ETI, only the Earth habitants – and it will be the bad news for us if ETI are behaving like we are.

            …If I am going to worry … about … real and living humans occupying Earth …

            In same time you are ready to provide weapon class instruments to the people who can tell fair tails about METI…

            • ljk November 9, 2018, 17:46

              At last I now know what it is like to encounter a highly advanced mind with such relentless logic! It is both awesome and humbling.

              As a result, no more shall I hold out hope for SETI having even a ghost of chance of detecting other intelligences in the Cosmos. And as for METI, if only I could pull back all those radio transmissions sent into the void but especially the Pioneer and Voyager probes, where I could toss their pitiful efforts into the dustbin of ignominy and history, where they belong! What fools we were to think that such tiny, shiny artifacts might even be found and convey any sort of information about humanity to the superior minds of the galaxy!

              I shall also dash against the rocks my clearly now fantasies of renting a radio telescope to broadcast all the music of J. S. Bach all the time into the Milky Way, just to show any ETI with organs that can detect and interpret sound that we mere primates do have some cultural value of a sort. I can also forget that plan to equip a deep space probe with multiple copies of those Golden Plaques and Records, where (upon being launched into the void courtesy of a ride on one of Elon Musk’s rockets) it would use a spring-loaded catapult to randomly shoot those metal messages of “science” into the blackness, even though it is clear now that such actions rival John Paul Sartre in his notions of existential absurdity.

              I will then return to my humble abode and burn all my SETI and METI materials, realizing at last that the only true wisdom lies among my fellow humans occupying the third rock from Sol, and that any aliens out there either do not exist or are so far away in time and space that they may as well not matter so far as humanity is concerned. Let us focus instead on all the wonders of human society, for truly they are the final word on reality. All else is some form of illusion.

              “Nothing was your own except the few cubic centimetres inside your skull.” ― George Orwell, 1984

              • AlexT November 10, 2018, 4:34

                In connection to G.Orwell’s quote, I have to admit that mind washing methdology is frequently used by some pop-science activists to advertise SETI (underscore METI) efforts. Properly composed advertising compain brings money. People who know how to earn money – are not fools.

  • Gary Wilson November 7, 2018, 13:36

    I think it’s a terrific idea to look for signs of extraterrestrial intelligence in the form of short duration laser pulses in the data sets we already have. As for choosing a wavelength, power output and pulse duration at which to transmit our own signals that is a much more difficult question. Especially when we have a whole galaxy as our potential target set. Surely we won’t be spending colossal amounts of money on such an endeavor with no information as to where to aim? I’m a pragmatist as far as this goes. Look for signs of life nearby (and further out if possible) and then sort through the possibilities of intelligence.

  • Thomas R Mazanec November 7, 2018, 15:16

    Analog Magazine had a science fact article a few years back suggesting 10,700 Angstrom neodymium lasers for SETI/CETI.

  • AlexT November 8, 2018, 7:01

    With our present knowledges and technology , interstellar Communication is impossible for the distances longer than thens light years. And I do not talk about possibility to decode distant message with massage exchange rate that has so long duration (thens years for one direction message delivery).
    As sequence idea to send message to nowhere and adressed to none does not have any excuse.
    May be Fermy paradox – is not paradox at all, none of highly developped civilisation send messages simply because it is very bad and not clever idea, only those civilization who understood this fact have a chance to get “long civilization life span” , those civilzations-loosers that decide to wast energy to send message to every directions without realizing who will be an end receiver of this message – vanishing very quickly, so their period of METI activity is very short… i.e. undetectable.

    • ljk November 8, 2018, 10:47

      What are you so worried about? No one in SETI or METI is taking your money, as the vast majority of efforts are now privately funded and their history has been a long one of very limited budgets as it is.

      If a bunch of individuals want to test the waters, even if their instruments are primitive, who are you or anyone else to say that they cannot? It is their money and time, not yours. If they want to do what you clearly think is shouting into the abyss, that is their business.

      The day individual thoughts and actions which clearly harm no one become illegal and controlled by outside authorities is the day we are going to have to worry about a lot more than hypothetical alien intentions. Humans worry about beings that may or may not exist, when it is their own species potential for vice and destruction they should be wary of first and foremost.

      • AlexT November 8, 2018, 16:24

        What are you so worried about? No one in SETI or METI is taking your money

        At first SETI and METI case is significantly different.
        If we are talking about SETI – I can accept with almost every your word (in this comment), with only one exclusion – SETI gets some funds from tax payers, but IMO – it should exists only on absolutely private money.

        METI is very different case, it can plague lives of our descendants or even stop our civilization. In addition if we will get deep in the information from discussed article, the laser that is supposed to be used for cosmic message delivery – in reality is very dangerous weapon, so there is no need to find evil ETI to use it against humanity – homo sapience can do that “perfectly” (by the way same notes in connection to Breakthrough Starshot).
        IMO – any METI implementation in reality have to be absolutely banned on official international level.
        Additional problem that METI – is turn to be the real target of SETI activists… We can find proves here in the discussed article , article begins as “SETI in the Infrared” and finished as METI using High power IR laser…

        • ljk November 9, 2018, 10:28

          So the article title says SETI when it is really about METI. Why turn this into some kind of conspiracy just to suit your agenda against these subjects when there is none?

          I love how you not only stereotype SETI and METI supporters but now you think they are working as some kind of unified force on some hidden agenda. SETI and especially METI has never been unified and most of its practitioners are largely motivated only by expanding human knowledge. If anything I fault them for not often being imaginative enough or expanding beyond the radio spectrum.

          • AlexT November 9, 2018, 14:19

            …Why turn this into some kind of conspiracy…

            There is not any conspiracy – in discussed article everything (SETI-METI connection) is clear and open :-)

            …METI … most of its practitioners are largely motivated only by expanding human knowledge…

            I suppose there is lot of places on our own planet where huge effort should be done to “expand human knowledge”. Do not think that advanced ETI (who able to get and decode our message) need and can use our knowledge…
            “The road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

  • ljk November 13, 2018, 10:40

    Review: Out There

    While astrobiology has become an increasingly mainstream science, it is still grappling with some of the central questions about the existence of life beyond Earth. Jeff Foust reviews a new book that takes a serious look at the field, without taking itself too seriously.

    Monday, November 12, 2018

    http://thespacereview.com/article/3600/1

    • AlexT November 14, 2018, 5:12

      Present day only the Earth biology – is real science, do to fact we have not found any signs of ET life – no any astrobiology is possible , because “astrobiology” still do not have object for studying, i.e. remains Sci-Fi art, not science.

      • ljk November 14, 2018, 12:57

        Thank goodness you told me. Yes, we should not speculate on anything that isn’t sitting right in front of our faces, nor should we conduct experiments – thought or otherwise – if it is not permanently, solidly real.

        • AlexT November 15, 2018, 4:11

          Till today I was sure that science studying only material (i.e. real existings) things (and laws that rule those things) and every non material object is area for exrasenses and religions.

          Thanks , you explained me that there is some “scientists” that invents and studying non material and non existings objects.

          As sequence I am sure that addition prefix ASTRO to respectful science – biology, can be explained by PR only, it about battle for sponsors grants (money), than real science.

          • ljk November 15, 2018, 10:58

            So until we find actual alien life, no scientist should even attempt to model life based on other (real) worlds? They should keep their thoughts to themselves, because that is how we progress, by peer pressured silence, right?

            Please tell that to the legit scientists who have and are doing such work just the same whose true colleagues do not seem to be bothered by their taking time and (relatively meager) funds to do so.

            Thank you for killing all the cosmic dragons and ghosts. Humanity is so much better for it, as one can tell by watching the news at any given time.

            Awaiting more PR, mind control, and conspiracy comments (not really).

            • AlexT November 17, 2018, 4:11

              Scientist can model evrything they want.
              Fact – modern biology cannot model even our Earth’s life, so I do not believe they can model something different.
              In any case this model will have no any connection to prefix ASTRO.
              The present situation is next – everything published under nice titles “astrobiology” is hoax.
              I do not think that non use of problematic prefix “astro” automatically means stop of science modeling, exploration etc., it only mean return to the policy of true.

  • ljk November 14, 2018, 13:38

    How to Design an Interstellar Message for Extraterrestrials

    If you could say something to an alien, what would you say and how would you say it?

    By Seeker ·

    Published On 11/11/2018·

    7:04 AM EST

    https://www.seeker.com/videos/space/if-you-could-send-a-message-to-aliens-what-would-you-say

    To quote:

    “In our next round of transmissions, we’re getting three types of messages ready. One will describe basic chemical principles, we’ll send the periodic table of elements. The second will describe the human body. The third message will go on to describe something about how we engage with one another, altruism. As we design a message for extraterrestrials, we need to ask what we and the extraterrestrials have in common. Well, we have in common the universe itself. So when we look around the universe and try to describe it, we start with what it’s made up of. Hydrogen and helium and carbon and oxygen and phosphorus and all these 200+ chemical elements. Well that’s something that scientists on another world will know about too.”

  • ljk November 14, 2018, 14:40

    https://arxiv.org/abs/1810.06568

    Science with an ngVLA: SETI Searches for Evidence of Intelligent Life in the Galaxy

    Steve Croft (1), Andrew P. V. Siemion (1 and 2 and 3), James M. Cordes (4), Ian S. Morrison (5), Zsolt Paragi (6), Jill Tarter (3)) ( (1)UC Berkeley, (2)Radboud University, (3)SETI Institute, (4)Cornell University, (5)Curtin University, (6)JIVE)

    (Submitted on 15 Oct 2018 (v1), last revised 17 Oct 2018 (this version, v2))

    Radio SETI experiments aim to test the hypothesis that extraterrestrial civilizations emit detectable signals from communication, propulsion, or other technologies. The unprecedented capabilities of next generation radio telescopes, including ngVLA, will allow us to probe hitherto unexplored regions of parameter space, thereby placing meaningful limits on the prevalence of technological civilizations in the Universe (or, if we are fortunate, making one of the most significant discoveries in the history of science).

    ngVLA provides critical capabilities in the 10 – 100 GHz range, and will be a valuable complement to SKA in the southern hemisphere, as well as surveying the sky at frequencies underexplored by previous SETI experiments.

    Comments: To be published in the ASP Monograph Series, “Science with a Next-Generation VLA”, ed. E. J. Murphy (ASP, San Francisco, CA). Corrected author list / affiliations; minor text edits

    Subjects: Instrumentation and Methods for Astrophysics (astro-ph.IM)

    Cite as: arXiv:1810.06568 [astro-ph.IM]
    (or arXiv:1810.06568v2 [astro-ph.IM] for this version)

    Submission history

    From: Steve Croft [view email]

    [v1] Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:00:02 UTC (38 KB)
    [v2] Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:48:01 UTC (38 KB)

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1810.06568.pdf

  • ljk November 16, 2018, 17:04

    On the 44th anniversary of the Arecibo Message to Messier 13…

    New Arecibo Observatory Message Challenge Announced

    By Zenaida Kotala |

    November 16, 2018

    In 1974, the Arecibo Observatory made history by beaming the most powerful radio message into deep space ever made. The famous Arecibo Message was designed by the AO 74’s staff, led by Frank Drake, and with the help of the astronomer and famed science communicator Carl Sagan. It contained information about the human race and was intended to be our intergalactic calling card.

    “Our society and our technology have changed a lot since 1974,” says Francisco Cordova, the director of the NSF-funded Arecibo Observatory. “So, if we were assembling our message today, what would it say? What would it look like? What one would need to learn to be able to design the right updated message from the earthlings? Those are the questions we are posing to young people around the world through the New Arecibo Message – the global challenge.”

    The NSF-funded facility, which is home to the largest fully operational radar telescope on the planet, will launch its online competition later today on the 44th anniversary of the original Arecibo message. Check out the observatory’s website fafter 1 p.m. for details and today’s Google doodle for more information about the first message.

    Organizers are seeking innovative ideas from global collaborative efforts of inter-generation, diverse and international teams of students to inspire a new generation of space enthusiasts and define the New Arecibo Message.

    But this will be no simple task. In order to get started, teams of up to 10 students in grades kindergarten through college, must decode various clues that will be released online. Like a Chinese puzzle box, teams must learn about Space Sciences, break coded messages and solve brain-puzzles to qualify, get instructions, register and then submit their entries. Arecibo will post its first puzzle on its website and social media channels this afternoon (Nov. 16).

    This challenge gives teams nine months to complete their designs. A winner will be announced during the Arecibo Observatory Week activities planned for 2019, which includes the special celebration of the 45th anniversary of the original Arecibo Message.

    “We have quite a few surprises in store for participants and we will be sharing more details as the competition progresses,” Cordova says. “We can’t wait to see what our young people across the globe come up with.”

    Full article here:

    https://today.ucf.edu/new-arecibo-observatory-message-challenge-announced/

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/google-marks-44th-anniversary-of-arecibo-message-with-a-doodle/articleshow/66645695.cms

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